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Feminist Terrorist · Feb 05, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Anghardel, what are you thinking of playing next? I'm curious because, to me, the game landscape is kind of bleak these days. About the only thing I'm interested in is the upcoming Spore, but it'll be a while before that's out.

I hope your break leaves you in better spirits and with a renewed zest for GW.

zwei2stein · Feb 05, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Anghardel

I'm guessing that my mentality about a game being a game and not really putting any credit towards what I do within it is what got me into the situation in the first place. I'm more stunned than hurt, though, which I suppose I shouldn't be by the responses I've seen to folks taking advantage of others in the past.

Someone stealing that axe from you is equal in value to stealing 100$ bill from you. and bet that that axe will eventually show somewhere at auction and will yield its new owner as much.

Game is just game when you play around casually, but when you get to hardcore stuff like this item, you get sucked in to it and it becomes serious stuff. (thats why I try not to be hardcore, ever :-) )

Anghardel · Feb 05, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

Anghardel, what are you thinking of playing next? I'm curious because, to me, the game landscape is kind of bleak these days. About the only thing I'm interested in is the upcoming Spore, but it'll be a while before that's out.

I hope your break leaves you in better spirits and with a renewed zest for GW.

Well, I think the single biggest thing that drew me into Guild Wars was the look of the world. It wasn't quite so spiffy in Factions and Nightfall, but I really thought Prophecies had some zing to it. At the time I was just jumping into computer games more seriously, having come off of two year +stint with single player games, namely The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind and its expansions (which had very nice landscapes as well).

I haven't really looked into any specific new titles just yet, as I've been doing what I can to salvage my feelings about Guild Wars, but since I'm taking just a little break now is the time. Many of my good friends left Guild Wars for World of Warcraft, which I've just glanced at a few times, and that looks spiffy. Not sure about the pay-per-month business, though.

My biggest thing for a game right now is one in which I can have some fun and relax in; I want some unnerving lands, as well as some nicer, lush fields of some sort. I'll probably stick with an online game that offers the same sort of feel that Guild Wars did back when I join; I like the idea of sitting and chatting with people that I genuinely consider friends in an interesting game setting - gives me something neat to look at while I'm chatting.

Of course, I haven't made anything go *boom* in a long time, so I may have to look into some sort of FPS, or return to some of my old favorites for some good ol' nostalgic fun. Whatever I do wind up playing will have to be a heck of a lot of fun, though, as I play games to punctuate the stone-cold seriousness (usually) of work and Uni.

SilentAssassin · Feb 05, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Spoken like a true scammer. "It's not the scammer's fault. It's the victims's fault"

This is why GW isn't a lot of fun to play anymore. The nice folks are leaving the game because they're treated like dirt. The only ones left are the scammers and jerks like you who defend scammers.

oh pls...

I am not defending the scammer at all, I just find the situation hilarious.

1) You don't go outside to trade
2) Dropping an item so the other one can have a look...
3) Trade panel not working ??
4) ...

can give some more stupid things he did,

you may call me a scammer, or a jerk I rly dont care because I know I am not . You may cry that the game is full of jerks, well be my guest almost everygame I have played is full off it, even in real life there are many jerks, scammers or whatever you want to call them.

Everyone here who is feeling the "pain" he is in because he can't thrust anyone anymore... oh pls, I just can say it was a good lesson and I am sure you won't do these stupidities anymore.

And quitting because you lost that axe... oh well maybe it was time to just take a break

BustroQuick · Feb 05, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Sad story, what a shame. =\

disarm76 · Feb 05, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Skin -> he could saw while you were wielding it
Stats -> he could saw while item's on the trade window

So.....why drop it?
If someone asks me to drop something so he can see better...I know better..the guys is trying to steal from me.
With 13 months of playing and you fell for it?
C'mon!

MSecorsky · Feb 05, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

I just finished picking my jaw off the ground and resetting it.

So THAT'S what that guy was up to... I had someone try that with me with an Elemental Sword I found. Even though he was "way over there", it still smelled enough like a rat that I didn't drop it. Now I understand what he was up to. Wow.

Maybe next time I'll drop a req 5 longsword and see how fast the "assassin" reflexes are.

Epiphany moment.

Anghardel · Feb 06, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by disarm76

Skin -> he could saw while you were wielding it
Stats -> he could saw while item's on the trade window

So.....why drop it?
If someone asks me to drop something so he can see better...I know better..the guys is trying to steal from me.
With 13 months of playing and you fell for it?
C'mon!

I was definitely being stupid, but it made some small amount of sense in my delirious head because I've seen stranger things happen in Guild Wars before, such as waking up to find all of my armor gone before having it reset after a download or mysteriously no longer having a guild tag, name, or panel but being able to access a guild hall, etc. I was way too caught up in something other than what I should have been thinking about, which was apparently the greed of some people.

- - - - -

But this thread was never intended to be a "zomg I got scammed and want my money back" issue. It's more of a "why would someone care enough to steal something from me in a digital world?" moment. I've gone a long time without the high-end stuff and am not quitting because I'm back to square one :P.

I just get tired of always seeing someone working their hardest to scam another out of a buck, so I'll give it a rest for a little while and come back later for a fresh new start. It was a good learning experience for me, I suppose, but my momentary brain fart doesn't make it ok or even laughable, since I had my little mental justifications. Just my personal take on it.

MSecorsky · Feb 06, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Actually, thanks for this post... I was unaware of this little scam tactic (although had it tried on me).

From now on, folks... if someone wants to see a weapon skin, equip Koss with the weapon. If they want you to drop it, tell them "Koss said no."

Bryant Again · Feb 06, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Ah...So you too suffered a Morrowind Addiction (it IS the best game ever (next to Daggerfall))...

However, I feel horrible for your loss. But I admire your maturity in it, and how you're letting it go by so smoothly - as smoothly as that can be. If you weren't taking a hiatus, I'd ask to quest with ya.

*Darcy* · Feb 06, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

@OP - I'm well past 18, but have pretty much the same attitude towards material things.

Something precious to me gets stolen or broken, /shrug, I enjoyed it while I had it. In the event of theft, I follow the steps in hopes of preventing the same thing being done to someone else. But giving the thief the additional bonus of making me miserable is something I avoid.

Come back to the game when your memory of the joy of the find has outlasted that of the theft.

Loviatar · Feb 06, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Ah...So you too suffered a Morrowind Addiction (it IS the best game ever (next to Daggerfall))...

i loved the flying horse bug in Daggerfall/

levitate while mounted and the horse comes with you.

also liked Arena before that which is now a free download from the Oblivion site.

for real nostalgia i have the original LEGEND OF ZELDA (8 bit) in a windows pc pixel perfect copy to play with now and then.

had it for years and the site that has it is still going strong.

arcanemacabre · Feb 06, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

Wow, what an obscure thread title...

Anyway, I live by the philosophy "Expect the best, prepare for the worst". Just a smidgen of forethought and preparation can prevent crap like this. Doesn't matter how much or how little you value your posessions, that's not the point.

As much as I hate scammers, I'd actually have to kinda agree with SilentAssassin, it's really your fault. Would you let him have the axe so that he can "try it on" and "see how it looks on his character" if he asked? If not, why not? Would you not trust him then? You say you're a trusting person, but that's not really the issue here, is it? You just f***ed up and didn't think it through.

Sorry to be harsh, but seriously, if you haven't learned by now that there are theives and scammers in every nook and cranny of our society, well that can't be taught. If you really don't care, you wouldn't have posted.

Anghardel · Feb 06, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Wow, what an obscure thread title...

Anyway, I live by the philosophy "Expect the best, prepare for the worst". Just a smidgen of forethought and preparation can prevent crap like this. Doesn't matter how much or how little you value your posessions, that's not the point.

As much as I hate scammers, I'd actually have to kinda agree with SilentAssassin, it's really your fault. Would you let him have the axe so that he can "try it on" and "see how it looks on his character" if he asked? If not, why not? Would you not trust him then? You say you're a trusting person, but that's not really the issue here, is it? You just f***ed up and didn't think it through.

Sorry to be harsh, but seriously, if you haven't learned by now that there are theives and scammers in every nook and cranny of our society, well that can't be taught. If you really don't care, you wouldn't have posted.

Oh, I certainly understand that I screwed up. Won't deny that. The guy was an aggro bubble away when I showed him the item and it completely slipped my mind that assassins can teleport with their skills. That's not the point of what I posted about, though.

It doesn't bother me that I no longer have the item, persay. It's the idea that someone actually would take it in a game, where nothing actually makes much of a difference whatsoever, that sparked me into posting a thread like this. The time folks invest in scamming people is like the time they invest in cheating on a test. All it would take is that same amount of time to make some legitimate dollars.

Brings to mind a fellow that stands outside of the local Food-Lion (grocery store) by my home. He constantly begs for money for cigarettes, and I've seen him do so for almost an hour before getting even the slightest amount of change from someone. An hour of the simplest work can net you well over the 5 dollars needed for a pack of smokes, and it's a guaranteed turnout.

It's more of an ironic realization for me. I'm glad I learned it early on in my life, having generally placed myself around people who have proven that they can trust me and having minimal exposure - thanks to my own doing - to folks who really just don't care to do much to get somewhere.

So yes, I don't give a lick about my lack of the item. If I would've never found it I would've been fine. I do, however, care about the fact that someone would put forth the effort to steal. The situation, to me, is very different from doing something like wearing a sign saying I have X dollars and would like to show them to people, and to letting the person hold the item, which is a much more blatant way of setting yourself up for dissapointment in my head.

Just disappointing, that's all. I mean it is just a game, and I've always thought the point of a game was to have fun, since games have such little impact on our lives outside of them.

arcanemacabre · Feb 06, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Anghardel

It doesn't bother me that I no longer have the item, persay. It's the idea that someone actually would take it in a game, where nothing actually makes much of a difference whatsoever, that sparked me into posting a thread like this. The time folks invest in scamming people is like the time they invest in cheating on a test. All it would take is that same amount of time to make some legitimate dollars.

Brings to mind a fellow that stands outside of the local Food-Lion (grocery store) by my home. He constantly begs for money for cigarettes, and I've seen him do so for almost an hour before getting even the slightest amount of change from someone. An hour of the simplest work can net you well over the 5 dollars needed for a pack of smokes, and it's a guaranteed turnout.

Time isn't an issue. In fact, I'd say that person made out pretty good for the amount of time put it, compared to the other ways of making in-game money. The value of the in-game money isn't an issue, either, since there are tons of people who spend countless hours of every day investing their time to make in-game money, legit and non-legit. Begging is a waste of time and resources, I agree with you there, but it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

No, I think the issue is scams and theives. The issue is morality, not practicality.

Like I said, I hate scammers with a passion, but I can see why people do it - cause it's easy. It's a lot easier to do in an online video game than it is in real life, so of course, more people do it. The only difference is we don't have cops, lawyers, and judges to throw these people in jail, we have Anet that bans them.

So if you are asking yourself why someone would do that, I believe you are asking a morality question - How could someone do that? How can someone be so uncaring and selfish to do something so craptastic? How can anyone steal anything? I'm sure psycologists can answer those questions, at least in part.

CagedinSanity · Feb 06, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Ah! I'm not the only one! I haven't had a rare item stolen from me like that, But I do not have access to the super high level areas. All my level 20's are usually stuck in a mission where everyone's in a party, noone invites me, or the groups are ALWAYS idiots. I have to save up and grind 800g at a time, maybe the occasional luck hits me and I get mod worth over 10k (The most expensive thing i ever had was a superior vigor.)

I only have *ONE* friend who is willing to share a thing or two every now and then. But I rarely ask him directly (He's recently been agnry about other friends of his making it a habit to ask him for stuff, something I avoid with everybody.)

I just wanted to say that. I'm glad I'm not the only one out there who works for my stuff.
(There are other Morrowind addicts here, too? Awesome.)

divinechancellor · Feb 06, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

araghhh that sucks. Its never happened to me, but damn. If you're looking for other games, remember that they have their own share of scammers. Dishonest people are everywhere....

Antheus · Feb 06, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Spoken like a true scammer. "It's not the scammer's fault. It's the victims's fault"

This is why GW isn't a lot of fun to play anymore. The nice folks are leaving the game because they're treated like dirt. The only ones left are the scammers and jerks like you who defend scammers.

So, if I put $1000 on a table in restaurant, then walk away for 30 minutes, will the money still be there when I return?

Speaking of which, my uncle recently died in a plane crash, and I need help transferring his assets from his Nigerian bank account. I would kindly like to ask someone to help me with that, all you need is to send me minimal funds to arrange the transfer, and after it's complete, I'll deposit 10% as a compensation.

Yes, it's victim's fault. Going against good judgement and experience, even knowledge of scams is inexcusible.

It sucks to lose such axe, but in this case, it's not an excuse. If anything - learn from this, so you don't get ripped like this in real life. Those scams hurt more - consider being scammed out of your retirement fund like Enron did. And you'll lose more than an axe, but you'll be working a minimum wage job till you're 80 or you die, simply because you won't have a dime in the world.

Life sucks, so do people - in MMOs, you deal with people. It's just naive to expect anything noble of them - but be grateful when you do encounter such players.

Anghardel · Feb 06, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Time isn't an issue. In fact, I'd say that person made out pretty good for the amount of time put it, compared to the other ways of making in-game money. The value of the in-game money isn't an issue, either, since there are tons of people who spend countless hours of every day investing their time to make in-game money, legit and non-legit. Begging is a waste of time and resources, I agree with you there, but it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

No, I think the issue is scams and theives. The issue is morality, not practicality.

Like I said, I hate scammers with a passion, but I can see why people do it - cause it's easy. It's a lot easier to do in an online video game than it is in real life, so of course, more people do it. The only difference is we don't have cops, lawyers, and judges to throw these people in jail, we have Anet that bans them.

So if you are asking yourself why someone would do that, I believe you are asking a morality question - How could someone do that? How can someone be so uncaring and selfish to do something so craptastic? How can anyone steal anything? I'm sure psycologists can answer those questions, at least in part.

That's definitely the sort of response I'm looking for. A more complete look over the tendancies of people to steal.

The way I see it, this being a game and all the benefit of the theft is less tangible and more symbolic than it would be in another situation, persay (unless, of course, the person will sell the item they took from me and use it to make real-world money by selling it through one of those GW-gold websites). So I still have to wonder why someone would do it, with the different drives. Or maybe I've got it all wrong and the drives are all the same, no matter the eventual benefits of the item.

That's more where my immediate surprise fits: the ultimate benefit of it. I've never been attracted to stealing in or out of games because it's unecessary. I'm not a material hog, but I've always been interested in people who are. So, while I am in fact personally angered at having something of mine stolen I'm more surprised than anything, and I suppose that has something to do with the fact that this is the one and only time I've fallen for such a stupid and seemingly - looking back over it - obvious trick.

It just doesn't seem worth anyone's time to do something like this in a game, of all places. Maybe outside where money counts, but in this sort of setting?

It's similar enough, granted, but not so much that I can consider each theft in anywhere near the same light.

ozsparrow · Feb 06, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

I hope you got some screen shots so you can get this jerk permanently banned.

/signed

People like this should be reported and permanently banned. He/she is no different than a common plain THIEF!

He/she has knowingly breached the EULA and A-Net should ban his/her account permanently. Failure to do so would mean that other "players" can continue to scam people with full immunity from prosecution!

I also have picked up several items inadvertently dropped by other players and I have always given them back, once asked.

People...this is a GAME! Items and money are not real! Status and fame and titles and awards earned during gameplay are not real! It is an imaginary world inhabited by imaginary avatars!

I feel immensely sorry for the people who see the need to win this GAME so much that they would do almost anything to achieve this goal!

Since when is "win at all costs" and "screw thy fellow player" the catch-cry of the GW community?